Here’s the key exchange of the interview because most of our so-called “leaders” don’t have any idea how to move public opinion (and if you don’t know how to do that then you should retire from politics):
RUSH: [W]hen you were running for Senate, you probably thought you were joining a lot of people that were like you, wanted to stop this. You get there, you find out you’re one of three or four.
CRUZ: I will tell you the single biggest surprise in arriving to the Senate is the defeatist attitude here. I mean, we don’t even talk about how to win a fight. There’s no discussion. We talk about, “Hey, let’s get a show vote so we can go tell our constituents we’re doing something.” But I promise you, Rush, if you had to sit through one Senate lunch, you’d be in therapy for a month.
CRUZ: I don’t know that you could — as bad as you might think it is, and, listen, these are good men and women. I respect them. I like them. Many of these are my friends, but they’ve been here a long time, and they’re beaten down, and they don’t believe we can win. They don’t believe it can happen, and the answer they say on every issue is, “No, we can’t do it. We can’t do it.”
You can read the entire transcript here, and here’s the audio: